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@objectinspace @tristan I absolutely simpathize with Drew here. He just wants to get shit done. And honestly this whole conversation about how can we make it accessible without developers having to give a damn is a dead end. It's like asking "How can we make this pretty and solve problems wi thout designers having to give a damn." Neither of these things are going to happen, except designers do give a damn about making it pretty at least, if for no other reason than their clients give a damn. So at the end of the day people have to give a damn about accessibility other than people with disabilities or we're not getting accessibility. And I absolutely don't blame Drew for being pissed off that Proton doesn't seem to give a damn.

@ppatel @Tamasg @objectinspace Which one? That it's not hope it's just marketing, or that marketers ruin everything, or better yet, both?

@aardrian @Tamasg @objectinspace Thus, "Marketers ruin everything, episode 5037546". I'm only half joking.

@terryb @SteveSawczyn Also, if you're a vegan that would also exclde the cream cheese so yeah I can see where that would be a problem.

@terryb @SteveSawczyn Can you eat fish or are you a vegan?

@ppatel @SteveSawczyn I t hink Pratik is probably so used to looking for meatless options that he just completely missed the meat ones. And to be fair, the bacon/ham/steak options are sort of sprinked in, at least from a screen reader user point of view, and so don't make up the main part of the offerings. It's sort of how vegetarian or vegan options get treated in the US, except in reverse.

@ppatel @SteveSawczyn Yeah that whole ham/bacon thing is a bit odd, but I don't think the shop is claiming to be kosher or even kosher style and bagels are ubiquitous here and not just Jews love them.

@SteveSawczyn Yeah apparently.

@tristan @objectinspace Requiring each user interface designer to directly put effort into making their interface beautiful and useable doesn't scale either, and yet it somehow still happens. I'm all for making it easier for developers and designers to make their apps/web things accessible, just like I'm all in on making it easier for content creators to make their content accessible. But I don't think it's unreasonable to ask developers or even content creators to put effort into accessibility when they put effort into a ton of other things, and I don't believe it's any more possible to automate or even automatize accessibility any more than it is to automate or automatize security.

@Tamasg @objectinspace Hope, strategy, &C

@objectinspace We've been lobbying QT for years now, so I'm not sure how productive in actuality this will be. But Matt's right that QT is where your ire should be directed.

@SteveSawczyn OK I looked at the menu and my mouth is watering.

@SteveSawczyn Mmmm good bagels. Yeah I need to come up there too and I think I might actually be closer than Steve is.

Oh no. I hope you're out of the hospital soon. And I hope the rest of 2024 looks up for you.

Wait who called you this because they *clearly* haven't talked to me I'm worse than you are on this stuff. Also I love Emily M. Bender.

@ViciousBabushka This'll save me a trip to the liquor store, provided both of these ship to PA. Excellent!

Sorry but anything that says "100% Lighthouse accessibility score" is automatically assumed to be inaccessible by me, given the way Axe Core deals with criteria that can generate false positives in tooling.

I vote we stick with glassholes until something much better comes along. I feel like glassholes didn't get enough usage.

Feel better soon Liam.

Oh man your recounting of that Docker article absolutely hurts. I hope you got a chance to walk away for a bit though because sometimes technology is just too much.