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@sapphireangel @GamingWithEars @wiljames This is not about fun, on anybody's part. Not even the evil corporation made up of two people. It's about business and how the world works and how the remedy for not liking something you're being asked to pay for is to not pay for it. That's the beginning and end of it.

@sapphireangel @GamingWithEars @wiljames You're entitled to that view, but it's just not how the world works, and if you're going to continue to insist on this you're going to find the rest of your life incredibly difficult.

@evilcookies98 @GamingWithEars @sapphireangel No it's not. And if its family shareable that makes it even less bad.

@sapphireangel @GamingWithEars No they're not. They're supposed to care about their bottom line.

@evilcookies98 @GamingWithEars @sapphireangel Yeah that's what I thought. We're essentially talking about a small shop with a different tax status.

@wiljames @GamingWithEars @sapphireangel OK I'm done. Because you keep trying to treat this like it some sort of barter relationship with a friendship component, and it just isn't. That's not how any of this works. This is not about promises or going back on your word or any of the taking it personally bits you want to shove into this. It's about making a profit in a capitalist system. If you don't want to participate, don't pay the subscription price. It really is that simple.

@GamingWithEars @sapphireangel Corporations exist to make money. They're just businesses with a different tax status at the end of the day. They're doing what they're supposed to do, make a profit.

@GamingWithEars @sapphireangel OK so they're a corporation. Doesn't change anything I've said.

@treehousedarren Contracts are subject to change all the time. Have you read a terms of service document lately? Or any contract that's enforceable?

@GamingWithEars @sapphireangel Yeah that's business. This is how business works. Businesses want money to continue development of a thing so they can continue development of said thing for everybody in something that is close to a sustainable manner that ensures profitability. This isn't some large corporation, it's a small shop. And everybody's still hopping mad because Oh no they might have to pay the equivalent of a cup of Starbux coffee per month for an app they probably use constantly. So yeah this kind of stuff is why we can't have nice things because the developers who start out making things for this community eventually quit.

I'd like to think that people are people on this two. But this isn't the first time the blind community has thrown a fit when asked to pay above whatever token price they initially paid for some app, and it's always the same stuff that essentially comes down to "that's not how any of this works and you keep expecting the world to accommodate this worldview and it's still not going to do that".

@sapphireangel @GamingWithEars And what are the VoiceDream developers supposed to do about this?

I'm sure there are a few, but probably not nearly as many.

@GamingWithEars @sapphireangel Yes and I would like a pony. But that's just not how any of this works. Prices are what they are and if someone has a problem with the price then don't pay the price. But don't constantly bitch about it. Which is all this community seems to do every single time it doesn't get its way.

@treehousedarren If you're this worked up about it just don't pay for the subscription, but no one owes the blind community constant accommodation of its general and willful ignorance of economics, markets, the costs associated with running a business including profitability, ETC. None of this is about a bargain, it's about a contract which is subject to change.

@Pawpower But also we should totally have a cookie ring I need to figure out how we do this.

@Pawpower This must be related to that accessibility discussion I'm catching up on where someone said that those of us who expect things to be accessible are entitled or something.

OK fine, so don't pay for it. But honestly if they're doing anything to maintain that code, and they are, that's a recurring cost. Tapping into most APIs is also a recurring cost. Plus developers deserve to get paid just like everyone else for ongoing work, and this whole thing where "they should only get paid if they're writing code I approve of" is bullshit. And it constantly comes up every time blind people are asked to adapt to a changing app landscape.

@treehousedarren You don't get to use your phone in offline mode, and for those who continue to use Office 2007 and say security is no big deal, Windows is fast moving towards what is essentially online mode. And this doesn't even get into platform changes that have nothing to do with security nonetheless prompting app changes. Plus that whole thing about how developers deserve to be paid for their labor just like everyone else.

@treehousedarren You don't get to use your phone in offline mode, and for those who continue to use Office 2007 and say security is no big deal, Windows is fast moving towards what is essentially online mode. And this doesn't even get into platform changes that have nothing to do with security nonetheless prompting app changes. Plus that whole thing about how developers deserve to be paid for their labor just like everyone else.