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In reply to @RollingStone.

@RollingStone Jesus fucking Christ this is monstrous and I hope she sues the fuck out of the state of Texas and wins fucking everything.

In reply to @objectinspace.

@objectinspace @Onj That's the thing that sort of frustrates me. It's not that you can't promote things on here, and be successful about it. Hell, we're doing it with WBH and having decent success with it. You just can't use the same tactics you could on Twitter or Insta, you have to build community, not just broadcast your stuff and sell sell sell all the time.

In reply to @mektastic.

@mektastic @KaraLG84 Welcome back Meka!

In reply to @ppatel.

@ppatel @objectinspace Yeah but if they're looking for basic to intermediate, they really should have picked something else IMHO. And yeah the speech stuff looks really interesting.

In reply to @ppatel.

@ppatel @objectinspace Pet pieve: People who will go to the wall for one particular translation over all the others annoy me, especially because they pick their fave but never do things like read its preface which is where the translators come out and tell you their overall reasons for specific choices and their translation goals and translation type and why they went with that type, dynamic equivalence V. literal equivalence, or a mix where possible.

In reply to @ppatel.

@ppatel @objectinspace Yeah that too.

In reply to @objectinspace.

@objectinspace @ppatel Third, you should have multiple translations not just one or two, and fourth, whatever translations you have need to have an extensive footnote aparatus that explains linguistic concepts/grammar/the cultural stuff that impacts language. So yeah in short this was actually a very bad idea.

In reply to @objectinspace.

@objectinspace @ppatel has as neutral. My usual advice is that if you want a translation decent translation, first there are several caveats: First, you don't want a literal translation. Second, asking for a translation that conveys what the authors actually meant is impossible, you can only have one that conveys how it was understood during specific periods of time. +

In reply to @objectinspace.

@objectinspace @ppatel So that would be difficult. For starters, you're dealing with three source languages, two of which are very much gendered and do not include a neutral gender and which default to masculine most of the time, but have some pretty peculiar exceptions. Also word phrase meaning is heavily dependent on surrounding context, and it's not a one-to-one match between linguistic gender and human gender even when you're not dealing with something English+

In reply to @ppatel.

@ppatel @objectinspace Add to this that it depends on which translations they're using. Assuming it's a public domain one, like the King James or any in that translation family except the New King James, yeah there are going to be some definite problems with regard to all kinds of bias.

In reply to @ppatel.

@ppatel @KaraLG84 I'm not sure where King is taking his reference from, but they're definitely not the same Gilead. Atwood is referencing Gilead as in "balm of Gilead," which is now a figure of speech for a universal cure thanks to the 1611 King James Bible.

In reply to @bermudianbrit.

@bermudianbrit Try running it through https://archive.is

In reply to @Beatlesandworms.

@Beatlesandworms It's gonna be vodka o'clock over here in a little while.

In reply to @Orinks.

@Orinks @ppatel @wiljames Also, in the U.S., the Earn It Act's back in congress again, which also has narley "save the children!" theater in it, so yeah if I'm Open AI's legal department, I'm telling them just to avoid that kind of stuff completely, thereby avoiding the associated risk.

In reply to @ppatel.

@ppatel @Orinks @wiljames To add to this, Open AI wants GPT to be able to be used in places other than the U.S. Like the UK. Whose online safety bill has passed I believe, Which has some pretty narley "save the children!" type stuff in it and carries some hefty fines for violations.This is about liability, not naked censorship.

In reply to @bryansmart.

@bryansmart @simon @matt @cordova5029 What I'm saying is I don't think it's an either/or between allow or enable bad behavior, or abuse children and then leave it to survival of the fittest. Sure, you can achieve results through abuse and get the social behaviors you want. But once those kids grow up, they'll either resent you for it, or worse, pass it on to the next generation of blind people they come into contact with

In reply to @bryansmart.

@bryansmart @simon @matt @cordova5029 I'm not saying allow for excuses or anything like that. But there's a difference between firm which is necessary, or strict which is also sometimes necessary, and harsh. You can be effective without being harsh. NFB leadership, with all the shit they've been sweeping under the rug, is what happens when you take the last generation raised in that environment and put them in power.

In reply to @bryansmart.

@bryansmart @simon @matt @cordova5029 I mean, we can all lament the fact that blind schools changed, in some ways for the worse, but part of the reason that happened is because of the extracurricular activities going on there.

In reply to @bryansmart.

@bryansmart @simon @matt @cordova5029 You can teach blind children how to socialize with people in the sighted world without implementing some sort of harsh punishment scheme. I think there are definitely aspects of older blindness education that should have been kept, but I don't think that means we should just bring it all back either.

In reply to @summersun704.

@summersun704 Sir and ma'am are overrated. Way overrated. And usually only insisted upon by people experiencing a power trip.