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@dukepaaron Also I do not recall any other nation being required by the rest of the worl to put up with what Israel is being asked to put up with, and if October 7 happened literally anywhere else 98% of the people currently scolding Israel and the Jews would be silent. And if the rest of the left wants anyone to take it seriously then it needs to quit applying the double standards to Israel because at this point even people who would normally ally with the left have had enough of the holier than thou complex.

Sorry but you can't be driven to terrorism. And the whole electing leftwing governments has already been tried, with the result that terrorism is still a thing. And at some point the Palestinians who are not citizens of Israel and who live in Gaza in the West Bank have to collectively decide that pursuing a state is worth more then this anticolonial conflict. Because neither Palestinians or Israelis, including the Arab ones, have anywhere to go. And I don not see a single person on the left taking the position that yes the Palestinians absolutely have a right to self-determination but their leadership has made tons of bad choices and it needs to be pressured to not continue making bad choices. And blaming Israel for everything isn't that.

Sorry but you can't be driven to terrorism. And the whole electing leftwing governments has already been tried, with the result that terrorism is still a thing. And at some point the Palestinians who are not citizens of Israel and who live in Gaza in the West Bank have to collectively decide that pursuing a state is worth more then this anticolonial conflict. Because neither Palestinians or Israelis, including the Arab ones, have anywhere to go. And I don not see a single person on the left taking the position that yes the Palestinians absolutely have a right to self-determination but their leadership has made tons of bad choices and it needs to be pressured to not continue making bad choices. And blaming Israel for everything isn't that.

@knizer No problem.

@jmb Yep. And I'm not saying don't get rid of Netanyahu. He's an asshole. But he's not the reason terrorism happens to Israelis, and the way the Israeli public mood is right now, best any of these people are getting is a center-right government.

Because they're an asshole?

Yeah probably.

Wait they're not accusing you of working for Mossad?

@jmb If the world wants Israelis never to vote for the right wing in large numbers, all it has to do is send its troops in and ensure that Palestinian terrorist groups don't have the power to make the lives of Israelis miserable. Also getting rid of that whole thing where Palestinians are perpetual refugees would also be good, but let's just start with the first agenda item. Since the world is unwilling to do any of this, Israelis will vote for whoever promises to rid them of the terrorist problem. Because unfortunately every single leftwing promise, especially from the outside Israel left, has left Israelis holding the bag, with October 7 being the final straw. And this isn't just about Israeli Jews. It's about Israeli Arabs too, who are, by the way, Palestinians.

Ug that sucks.

Ug that sucks.

He's not. There is literally nothing that justifies any of it. And it would still be happening if Israel had the most left wing government possible because the kind of people who think terrorism is ever justifiable couldn't care less about who's in power in Israel.

He's not. There is literally nothing that justifies any of it. And it would still be happening if Israel had the most left wing government possible because the kind of people who think terrorism is ever justifiable couldn't care less about who's in power in Israel.

Netanyahu needs to step down. He's not the reason Israelis aren't free from terror. Terror happens no matter whether the government is right or left wing.

@jmb @emilyk @serge Yeah that's what I thought.

Same. At this point in my life I refuse to be cold or uncomfortable for fashion.

Yes public transportation, including buses/trains, is much better outside the US.

@jmb @emilyk @serge Also I want to know exactly when "from the river to the sea …" shifted from its traditional meaning of erasing Israel to "Oh we just mean freedom and democracy". Because it still had its traditional meaning when I was in college and this sounds a whole hell of a lot like the attempted hasty cleansing of "America First" When Trump supporters with half a brain realized "Oh wait that has some nasty associations quick let's pretend those don't exist."

@jmb @emilyk @serge The traditional text of the hagadah at least gives a nod to non-Jewish suffering. And even if it doesn't, there are *numerous* times during the year where non-Jewish suffering and/or the general subject of justice/social action is dealt with, even in Orthodox communities. Either this reporter is just plain lazy or his subject is Jewishly illiterate, or both. And don't get me wrong, I'm not going to go around forcing Jewish literacy on people. But when you use your illiteracy to scold the Jewish community because you think we're not paying enough attention to the Palestinians that's when you become someone who just shouldn't be listened to on anything because you likely lack knowledge on a whole bunch of other stuff you confidently pontificate on.

Oh yay!