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@jamminjerry @JustinMac84 @payown Wait doesn't Aria have their own glasses?

@jamminjerry @JustinMac84 @payown Yeah these would have to be *incredibly useful glasses/service for me to consider paying that much. Spicy autocomplete plus a little image recognition just isn't good enough.

@payown @jamminjerry I'm wondering if most of it actually goes to a service they're trying to sustain? If that's the case this is done before it gets off the ground.

@jamminjerry @JustinMac84 I'd have to say you're leasing the glasses then, and as long as they're up front about that then that would be fine I suppose. But I have a sneaking suspicion that they're not being up front about that.

@payown @JustinMac84 I don't know "affordable" is doing a ton of heavy lifting here. Do you pay that until you get to the regular price and then they're yours outright plus fees for the service? Or do you just pay $150 for as long as you have the glasses?

@jscholes @FreakyFwoof @MoonCat And as far as your question "who else?" is concerned: Are you really going to tell me that all the inspiration prostitutes out there (looking at you Michael Hingson) really aren't making any difference at all? Because all the people claiming unawareness have computers in their pocket and by this point should at least be aware that people with disabilities do all sorts of things.

@jscholes @FreakyFwoof @MoonCat You might have a point generally. This isn't a general case, it's pretty specific, and trying to rigidly apply a great general principle to a case like this is what tends to raise hackles.

@jscholes @FreakyFwoof @MoonCat If you work for an agency that's supposed to serve people with disabilities I don't think you can exactly claim outsider/unaware status anymore. You might not be aware of every nuance, but you should at least be aware of the basics of accommodations people might ask for and I'm not sure you should have to be trained on that.

@jscholes @FreakyFwoof @MoonCat It's not ableist to be baffled. It's absolutely ableist to cross-examine someone who's asking for a specific accommodation, as this agent seems to be doing. That's not ignorance anymore, it's ableism and it's leveraging their curiosity in order to make someone's life just a bit more difficult.

@jscholes @FreakyFwoof @MoonCat educate everybody all the time.

@jscholes @FreakyFwoof @MoonCat Shorter version: Asking PWD/whoever to accommodate ignorance, especially when it's doubtful that ignorance is what's solely driving all this, puts all of us in the position of having to solve problems that we didn't create. It also puts the responsibility on us to educate people who in a lot of cases are doing their best to remain uneducated. And it's just not our job to +

@jscholes @FreakyFwoof @MoonCat "Oh I didn't mean too" and poof, problem doesn't exist it's on the PWD or whoever to just deal. And I'm saying no we're done dealing because people have tried being polite about this stuff and it did 0 good so yeah claiming ignorance and expecting to be cut slack based on that is expecting PWD/whoever to have infinite patience and that's just not happening.

@jscholes @FreakyFwoof @MoonCat Allowances can be made, up to a point, for ableism/whatever when it's genuinely based on ignorance. But only up to a point, and I'm submitting we're long past that point. The problem with tying any of it to intent is that if you point out that "hey that thing you said/did is ableist," (I.E., specifically harms people with disabilities in some way), all someone has to say is +

@jscholes @FreakyFwoof @MoonCat an issue. But lack of awareness shouldn't be thrown out as some sort of "well they weren't aware so they can't be ableist" or pick something. Because too often people just go "Oh he's not aware" like that's supposed to make it all OK and frankly it doesn't.

@jscholes @FreakyFwoof @MoonCat I'm saying that we can and often do discriminate and/or show/hold prejudices against people and lack of awareness doesn't change that. It might mitigate it, and assuming that lack of awareness being pointed out by someone telling you that thing you did/said was ableist or whatever results in your deciding to change the situation by making yourself aware, then lack of awareness isn't+

@JustinMac84 @FreakyFwoof @MoonCat So I've read this entire thread and honestly Justin's comments re: what counts as ableism remind me a whole lot of the shit defenses I've heard over the last almost decade regarding Trump's or Elon's or Kanye's antisemitism. At what point does lack of awareness stop being a get out of jail free card for this stuff?

I hope you find something that will work and will taste good.

@bryansmart Bryan is right that if you're going to drop out, and do this without college, you need to have a clear plan with action goals/steps because there isn't a clear path you can fork from someone else that will necessarily work for you.

@bryansmart Having read this thread and the resulting replies, I'm assuming that by low-level Cisco you mean CCNA? If that's the case, I'd say dropping out is fine, if you can be reasonably certain that you don't want any Cisco certs above that low-level stuff. Cyber security/infosec is almost certainly out, because the software you need to use to do your job/complete the certs/gain the experience is inaccessible. +