@swarming That's exactly how this will go down, and I'm pretty sure the Israeli public, in general and including Israeli Arabs, is not up for another round of that. Especially if it includes continued terrorist attacks and God forbid another October 7.
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@acarson @ViciousBabushka I understand that, and any deal would clearly be contingent on HUGE security guarantees for Israel so that nothing like the atrocities of October 7th can ever happen again.
But, again, you currently have the USA, Saudi Arabia, EU, and UAE bypassing the Israeli government and public. What happens next is not entirely in the gift of Israel, because the lesson that Israel’s allies have learned (rightly or wrongly) is that Israel will have to have their arm twisted in order for this issue to finally be resolved
@swarming @acarson @ViciousBabushka Palestinians overwhelmingly do not support the PA and the PA can’t possibly govern an independent state without being overthrown (or voted out if it’s a democracy).
@dukepaaron @acarson @ViciousBabushka The reason they don’t support the PA is because they (correctly) view it today as essentially the subcontractor of the Israeli security state. This is what Netanyahu wanted Palestinians to feel, and why he pushed the situation to this point. The PA is brutal, corrupt, repressive.
Democracy for the Palestinians is a long way off. Literally nobody is suggesting giving them elections probably within any of our lifetimes.
@swarming @acarson @ViciousBabushka Hamas is polling very well in Judea and Samaria. Not so well in Gaza.
@swarming @dukepaaron @ViciousBabushka And how do you think Israel is going to view “Hey Israel we gave the Palestinians a state that they’re unable to govern so we need you to do things like manage water and electricity and all the things you do now except let’s all make them feel better by calling this a state when actually it’s not a state because no military and no elections”. That’s just absurd, and hope is not a strategy, and proponents of the two-state solution need to get serious about things like Palestinian agency and reforms on that side instead of just yelling at Israel. Which is all that manages to happen.
@dukepaaron @swarming @ViciousBabushka Yeah there are even people in Gaza who want Israel to finish Hamas, no matter what it takes. And they don’t want the west shoving the PA down their throats because nobody trusts that the west and the Saudis are going to reform the PA. Even if they are going to do this, the time to talk about a Palestinian state is once this reform has legs, not before it even gets off the ground.