@jscholes @FreakyFwoof @MoonCat Allowances can be made, up to a point, for ableism/whatever when it's genuinely based on ignorance. But only up to a point, and I'm submitting we're long past that point. The problem with tying any of it to intent is that if you point out that "hey that thing you said/did is ableist," (I.E., specifically harms people with disabilities in some way), all someone has to say is +