Month: 4 Iyyar 5784 (May 2024)

@Pawpower @amy0223 @Bruce_Toews Yep.

@Pawpower @amy0223 @Bruce_Toews By way of example, the abortion bans. They screw over any Jews living in those states, Orthodox or not, because they make no religious exceptions at a minimum. Not that abortion is a form of birth control or anything, but it's absolutely permitted under even the strictest interpretations of Jewish law and in some cases recommended and in still rarer cases required because mother's life takes precedence There was a statement from the Orthodox Union after the Dobs decision about how they couldn't support a ban over this. I'll have to dig it up.

@Pawpower @amy0223 @Bruce_Toews Yes we have very different positions on when life begins, and what happens when a choice needs to be made in the worst case scenario.

@Pawpower @amy0223 @Bruce_Toews I should note that just because abortion is permitted doesn't mean that there aren't Jewish orgs working on things like ensuring that women have the ability to chose to have the child if the only thing in the way is, say, can't afford it, or can't get supplies. So it's not that it's preferred or anything. So for example, it's not that the concept of what crisis centers are supposed to be doing that's the problem, it's the deception involved and/or the coersion.

@Pawpower @amy0223 @Bruce_Toews Yes. Contraceptives are definitely permitted and often encouraged.

@Pawpower @amy0223 @Bruce_Toews So there's Abortion in Judaism by Daniel Schiff for a historical perspective, and Marital Relations, Birth Control, and Abortion in Jewish Law by David M. Feldman for a bigger picture.