@serge @calispera Yes. As tragic and absolutely heartbreaking as civilian deaths are, and they definitely are I wish none of this were happening, war is ugly and horrible and the more modern it is the more ugly and horrible which is why it should be avoided whenever possible. "Possible" does not include countries/peoples just tolerating it when someone else comes in and abducts/tortures/rapes/murders civilians. And these kids screaming "Genicide!" at the top of their entitled lungs doesn't change one bit of this. π